Troy Unrau ([info]troy_at_kde) wrote,
@ 2008-02-01 19:36:00
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A public spat!
Disclaimer: this entry is personal, and does not reflect any official, issued opinion of the KDE project.

Well folks, it's fun as an observer to see some of the public, high publicity spats that occasionally occur around KDE throughout the blagotubes. First, Aaron posts a rather long (arg! I hate multipage interviews, an excuse for more ads!) interview over at linuxworld.com.au. On page 2, Aaron takes a shot at *ubuntu for being entrenched in certain decisions of their past. Well, Jono Bacon (PHB type at canonical these days) didn't like it, and fired back via his blog.

Now folks, public spat aside, I think that it is true that there are many disenfranchised KDE users on the kubuntu front who are tired of being second class citizens, lagging a year behind on many features going into Ubuntu, or getting broken patches that are only occasionally sent upstream.

To those users, don't believe that kubuntu is the only good KDE distro out there! There are many very popular KDE distros in the world that treat KDE as a first class citizen. I will recommend, based on their support of the KDE community, a few very good alternatives for those kubuntu users that are tired of waiting for change:

OpenSuse: This distro has always been one of of KDE's strongest friends, both past and present, under all sorts of capitalization schemes which I may or may not get correctly in any given post. They have many people working on KDE directly or indirectly, and contribute frequently to upstream which helps to improve KDE for everyone. However, since OpenSuse is tightly associated with Novell, and there are some that morally object to their agreement with a certain American Behemoth, which rules them out. It's too bad, because it is an extremely good distro.

Mandriva: Mandriva is on the upswing these days. It was originally created under the name Mandrake, which was Redhat+KDE in origin. This alone should tell you how important KDE is to them, however their story is a little more interesting. After a few years and several releases, they merged with Connectiva, a south american distro that was also KDE-centric to be renamed as Mandriva. They are huge supporters of KDE via conference hosting, developer hours (directly and indirectly), and like the openSuse folks, they have a very good relationship with KDE. (As a side note, I run this happily at home now, since I moved from kubuntu).

Slackware: Well, my recent post somewhat illustrates Slackware's long-term commitment to KDE. Slackware has outlived most other distros, and tries to keep things simple, and unpatched where ever possible. If you are looking for a 'virgin' KDE, and don't have issues with occasionally having to much around in the bash prompt, I highly suggest slackware. Reporting bugs form slackware's KDE packages are appreciated by most KDE maintainers, as the KDE in slackware is pretty much exactly the KDE that we issue from SVN.

Fedora?: Kevin and the folks at Fedora have recently spent a lot of time re-factoring Fedora in order to make it desktop agnostic. The KDE SIG group there is doing much to improve Redhat/Fedora's image of being historically anti-KDE. If you like *ubuntu, but don't like their implementation of KDE, this might be a good place to move to, as KDE visibility and support is on the upswing (rather than in limbo). They recently did some rebranding to ensure that KDE and Gnome are given equal billing for the download discs, which is one of the main suggestions to *ubuntu that seems to be frequently rejected.

Arch: For those that prefer to watch things compile, but are not comfortable with going straight to gentoo (and all the community issues that come with gentoo), try out Arch. They ship two versions of KDE, one that is more-or-less virgin, and another known as kdemod. kdemod is special, as it is basically a complete collection of all the best KDE patches that have been floating around the internet, and are pulled from almost every distro around. The downside is that reporting bugs from kdemod to kde is not really too useful, as the patches may make the behavior unique, but this is a problem that is common for the more customized distros. The arch folks tend to have fairly decent communications and relations with the KDE community, via irc or otherwise.

PC-BSD/Desktop-BSD: While not linux at all, these two KDE distributions are based on the FreeBSD system. They offer high amounts of polish for KDE users, and can introduce you to the world of free operating systems that exists outside of Linux. I would say that 99% of KDE will work the same on Linux and FreeBSD, but the hardware support may be different. Some people have reported that FreeBSD based KDE installs tend to be much faster than Linux based KDE installs, although this isn't necessarily the case for all hardware. The downside for these two is that KDE 4.x is still unusable, although I'm sure that [ade] and friends will have this all worked out shortly.

There are many other good KDE distros out there, and I have only listed a few of them. There are regional distros such as Red Flag (China), TurboLinux (Asia, recently rebased on Mandriva), Pardus (Turkey), ALT Linux (Russia), as well as successful commercial distros such as Xandros (made popular on the Asus EEE), which come with their own set of unique advantages and problems. These distros have huge user bases that are simply not talked about in the North American (or even European) open source media outlets. I'm sure that there's good KDE distros that I forgot to mention (add them to comments if you want!). A quick check of distrowatch will show you how many KDE distros are out there right now, however many are much more popular than distrowatch's regionally biased statistics would suggest. Don't simply believe the slashdot commenters and related internet groupthink that seems to think that KDE is not shipped by default by any distros that matter. I guess the slashdot crowd only ever uses Ubuntu or Redhat and doesn't care about global reality :)

I love Riddell for the job he tries to do with kubuntu, but without more support from the top-down, he's sadly fighting a losing battle (imho) against the sheer amount of support that goes into the other parts of *ubuntu. Maybe Riddell can use this post as justification to apply for more manpower, which would be a great positive outcome for those users that don't want to leave just yet. If he doesn't get that help, then those users might consider moving elsewhere...

So, to those kubuntu users out there who are only hanging on by the thin thread of hope that the situation will improve in a few years, why not consider your options. You are not alone, and many KDE people who were previously on kubuntu (because it just worked) have left it for greener pastures. Jono and Canonical make a lot of money on KDE (kubuntu) deployments, support, and more, despite how little they put into kubuntu. Users migrating away might be the only message we can send to them that they will understand.

Either way, KDE is very strong outside of kubuntu; you just need to take a look around.



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PCLinuxOS
(Anonymous)
2008-02-02 04:13 am UTC (link)
PCLinuxOS (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PCLinuxOS) may also be a good alternative.

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Re: PCLinuxOS
(Anonymous)
2008-02-02 01:58 pm UTC (link)
I second! Those that haven't tried this gem of a distro are seriously missing out.... PCLinuxOS 2008 should be released very soon, too.

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Re: PCLinuxOS - (Anonymous), 2008-02-02 04:30 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]horacevitelle, 2008-08-11 07:13 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]harleychrystie, 2008-08-11 07:34 am UTC
Re: PCLinuxOS
(Anonymous)
2008-02-02 06:45 pm UTC (link)
Yup, every KDE user should consider pclinuxos! it even managed to convert some gnomies to KDE, try it!
YAPCLOSF (Yet Another PCLinuxOS Fanboy)

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from a happy kubuntu user
[info]patcito.myopenid.com
2008-02-02 04:24 am UTC (link)
Hey Troy,

I'm personally happy with kubuntu and I'm not looking elsewhere. Sure we get stuff a little bit later than ubuntu but I don't really care as I don't personally use those tools which eventually get into kubuntu anyway. Overall support of KDE is very good in my opinion especially for devs and everything "just work", plus I get apt which I can't live without.

I'm sure other distros are perfectly well too though but I like the KDE centric view of Kubuntu. Mandriva and OpenSuse have many admin tools written in GTK I think especially Mandriva.

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Re: from a happy kubuntu user
[info]troy_at_kde
2008-02-02 06:47 am UTC (link)
Yeah, Mandriva (well mandrake specifically) wrote their early tools and installer in gtk. That said, they do work quite well. OpenSuse has it's own stuff for yast that uses its own interface language and everything, if I recall correctly (please correct me if I'm wrong). Last I heard though, they were revising their module stuff to be able to be used with Qt or other widgets, making their configuration more-or-less neutral, which is cool.

Glad there are still a few happy kubuntu users about :)

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Re: from a happy kubuntu user - (Anonymous), 2008-02-02 12:07 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]haileyfiruc, 2008-07-16 04:59 am UTC
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Re: from a happy kubuntu user
(Anonymous)
2008-02-02 06:54 am UTC (link)
Kubuntu does not have so many other graphical admin tools than those that come with standard KDE. There are both Qt, GTK, and ncurses versions of Yast. I don't know if Drakconf in Mandriva is Qt only under KDE, but it's although well integrated with the KDE desktop. If you like the Apt user interface you could try PCLinuxOS which uses APT-RPM or MEPIS that is Debian based.

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(no subject) - [info]adriennacyfe, 2008-07-16 12:44 am UTC
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Re: from a happy kubuntu user
(Anonymous)
2008-02-02 11:56 am UTC (link)
No, openSUSE's YaST (also used for the installer) has _always_ been primarily done in Qt (same toolkit as KDE), though an ncurses and now GTK interface is also available. So naturally it has a very integrated KDE feel. Furthermore, it has been recently ported to Qt4 enabling it to look really nice in the new installer: http://news.opensuse.org/2008/01/18/announcing-opensuse-110-alpha1/

~apokryphos

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Re: from a happy kubuntu user (super rant) - (Anonymous), 2008-02-02 11:57 am UTC
Re: from a happy kubuntu user (super rant) - [info]kevin_kofler, 2008-02-02 01:58 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]jacobmcguffey, 2008-08-11 07:57 am UTC
Re: from a happy kubuntu user - (Anonymous), 2008-02-02 04:17 pm UTC
Re: from a happy kubuntu user - [info]kevin_kofler, 2008-02-04 12:09 am UTC
Re: from a happy kubuntu user - (Anonymous), 2008-02-02 04:17 pm UTC
Re: from a happy kubuntu user - [info]kevin_kofler, 2008-02-04 12:10 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]katezicum, 2008-07-13 10:22 am UTC
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thanks
[info]chani3
2008-02-02 07:13 am UTC (link)
I'm gonna do some distro-sampling when I get back to canada; this list looks like the perfect place to start :)

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Re: thanks
(Anonymous)
2008-02-02 09:05 am UTC (link)
Knoppix (still my favorite), Kanotix, Sidux, Linspire/Freespire, Sabayon, Zenwalk, ...

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Re: thanks - (Anonymous), 2008-02-02 10:13 am UTC

[info]notanavragelosr
2008-02-02 07:36 am UTC (link)
Nice post. When I borked my lappy, my buddy talked me into trying Kubuntu. Aside from the usual power management, ATI drivers, and getting wifi figured out, it did Just Work. But... I didn't like it. Nothing terribly wrong, I just didn't like it. So I switched. Simple as that.

I want to recommend Vector Linux SOHO, but I can't do so in good conscience. It's fairly lean, it's really fast for being binary, and the dev's have a sense of humor. But I don't know how much they pitch back towards KDE, and every time I get a box going with it on there, I have a hard drive or power supply crap out (I keep Suse on my "main" machines).

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[info]myronumphrey
2008-08-10 10:07 pm UTC (link)
If people want to switch the will just have to learn, just like they did when the started using windows.

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(no subject) - [info]denverkinket, 2008-08-11 12:10 am UTC

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My favorites
(Anonymous)
2008-02-02 08:33 am UTC (link)
You mentioned Pardus, one of my two dearest distros. The other is sidux which is also very much KDE based.

CT

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Re: My favorites
(Anonymous)
2008-02-02 08:44 am UTC (link)
>> (arg! I hate multipage interviews, an excuse for more ads!)

Just click "print this page", It will open a printable version without ads and all on 1 page ;)

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Re: My favorites - (Anonymous), 2008-02-02 08:45 am UTC
Re: My favorites - (Anonymous), 2008-02-02 09:50 am UTC
moved already
(Anonymous)
2008-02-02 08:43 am UTC (link)
I've been waiting for the things to improve in Kubuntu for too long, and now I switched to Debian testing. But I'm not very happy here either. Might as well try opensuse again.

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Re: moved already
(Anonymous)
2008-02-02 10:41 am UTC (link)
You don't need to test anything more. Kde good distro means Slackware, or other distros based on Slackware such as Slax and GoblinX. Stable, fast and great!!
BTW.: Kubuntu is one of the not good KDE distros.

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Re: moved already - (Anonymous), 2008-02-02 10:55 am UTC
Re: moved already - (Anonymous), 2008-02-04 09:11 am UTC
hold on
(Anonymous)
2008-02-02 10:44 am UTC (link)
you are castigating canonical for not supporting kde enough? surely kde peeps should be happy that they're supporting kde at all, rather than bitching about them.

canonical imho is one of biggest most innovative supporters of open source technology and community. aaron and urself should take a breath and back off.

perhaps they made a mistake, but talk to them about it, don't go off the deep end.

nevertheless, thanks for the list of kde distros. much appreciated!

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Re: hold on
(Anonymous)
2008-02-02 11:47 am UTC (link)
"canonical imho is one of biggest most innovative supporters of open source technology"

Open source as in Launchpad(rosetta,malone), merge-o-matic and landscape ?

Take a look here at what means "big, innovative supporters of open source technology" :

http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/RedHatContributions

(and this comes from a Debian user)

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Re: hold on - (Anonymous), 2008-02-02 12:18 pm UTC
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Re: hold on - (Anonymous), 2008-02-02 07:36 pm UTC
Arch
(Anonymous)
2008-02-02 10:53 am UTC (link)
Hey, thanks for mentioning KDEmod :)

We are not only using most of the patches for KDE floating around the net, but also port older stuff and create our own patches and fixes. Afaik one of them is already applied in the KDE 3.5 branch.

About the "watch things compile" in Arch: Arch is a binary distribution, so you dont need to compile anything if you dont want to - its all available in the repos. However, if you want to compile for yourself, then Arch gives you simply the best and easiest tools around to create your own packages. Once you have experienced how easy it is, you will never go back to another distro :)

Thanks for the nice read

Jan

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What a nonsense
(Anonymous)
2008-02-02 11:08 am UTC (link)
Hello Troy, with all due respect, it's not like Kubuntu-Users are in any way let down by Ubuntu. But Ubuntu needs and must have a strong commitment from Upstream in order to declare anything "long term supported" by Ubuntu, because in fact, what Ubuntu largely only can do is to package what Upstream offers. The point where KDE 3.x will be declared obsolete is not far behind April. I will bet by the time, you (KDE) will be all clever about how it's not the part of the community to support more than one stable version, and that KDE 4 is now good enough. Making a list of alternate distributions, and even ranking them higher than Kubuntu is a matter of opinion. But to say that Kubuntu neglects KDE users, because it won't support, what KDE wouldn't (for that long time), is really harsh. And forgive me, but Fedora (?!), how long do they support their releases, all of them, always? When became Fedora a better long term supporter than Ubuntu? How long support do you get for Arch? How long for PC-BSD? And the quality of the KDE releases of Ubuntu is absolutely fine. I still remember that Suse 8 release, that didn't even save _any_ KDE user settings across login. And openSUSE has absolutely nothing close to a long term support. So bare with me. Ubuntu is the only one offering Long Term Support for a freely available product. SLES and RHEL are not like that. Will you pretty please allow them to determine if they can support KDE 3.5.8 for many years or not? And if they can't, how is it going to make their KDE any worse? And why should users migrate to distributions that never do a similar thing?! Yours, Kay

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Re: What a nonsense
(Anonymous)
2008-02-02 12:02 pm UTC (link)
"The point where KDE 3.x will be declared obsolete is not far behind April. I will bet by the time, you (KDE) will be all clever about how it's not the part of the community to support more than one stable version, and that KDE 4 is now good enough."

Strange how the KDE e.v. President - i.e., someone who actually knows what's going on with KDE - disagrees with you entirely:

http://aseigo.blogspot.com/2008/01/talking-bluntly.html

(Meme #1)

KDE3 is currently being supported and will continue to be supported for very good reasons, namely that a) it's hardly burdensome work - KDE3 is in excellent condition, and is very low-maintenance and b) there are *massive* amounts of installations of KDE3 software out there in business desktops which will stay there for several years. The KDE guys would be fools to completely abandon KDE3. Basically, you're entire post seems to be based on "What is the stupidest possible course of action that the KDE guys could embark upon? I think I'll go ahead and assume that's what they'll do, in the face of all possible evidence!".

"What a nonsense", indeed.

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Re: What a nonsense - (Anonymous), 2008-02-02 12:51 pm UTC
Re: What a nonsense - (Anonymous), 2008-02-02 01:06 pm UTC
Re: What a nonsense - (Anonymous), 2008-02-02 01:18 pm UTC
Re: What a nonsense - (Anonymous), 2008-02-02 01:55 pm UTC
Re: What a nonsense - (Anonymous), 2008-02-02 01:03 pm UTC
Re: What a nonsense - (Anonymous), 2008-02-02 01:39 pm UTC
Re: What a nonsense - (Anonymous), 2008-02-02 01:56 pm UTC
Re: What a nonsense - (Anonymous), 2008-02-02 02:31 pm UTC
Re: What a nonsense - [info]kevin_kofler, 2008-02-02 02:06 pm UTC
Re: What a nonsense - [info]kevin_kofler, 2008-02-04 12:34 am UTC
Maybe with more Kubuntu developers...
(Anonymous)
2008-02-02 11:14 am UTC (link)
I've been trying every Kubuntu release but alas is full of bugs.

My personal choice: KDE + Debian

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Re: Maybe with more Kubuntu developers...
(Anonymous)
2008-02-02 01:07 pm UTC (link)
Surely you've reported all those bugs, so that they can be fixed in the next release.

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Re: Maybe with more Kubuntu developers... - (Anonymous), 2008-02-03 06:15 pm UTC
Re: Maybe with more Kubuntu developers... - (Anonymous), 2008-02-03 06:16 pm UTC
Why?
(Anonymous)
2008-02-02 12:48 pm UTC (link)
Why are you smearing Kubuntu while advertizing Ballnux ("open"SUSE) ? What the heck? You make me sick.

Kubuntu is great, and if I wouldn't use it, I would use ANY distro other than Ballnux, so fuck off.

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Re: Why?
(Anonymous)
2008-02-02 01:09 pm UTC (link)
OpenSuse is an excellent distro, and they support KDE more (at least in terms of absolute resources) than anything out there. Ubuntu is much smaller than Novell, so their absolute support is obviously less - which I can understand, and it's OK. But their decision to not make an LTS support shows more than their little resources - they don't want to spend them on KDE anyway. Which I do NOT understand. This decision will have longterm effects, keeping KDE users from Kubuntu for years to come. If in 3 years you have to choose between a new Kubuntu LTS and Novell Linux Desktop - which one will you choose? Not the Kubuntu one, there is no guarantee Cannonical won't decide AGAIN to drop it, while Novell proved they are committed to support KDE.

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Re: Why? - (Anonymous), 2008-02-02 01:53 pm UTC
Re: Why? - (Anonymous), 2008-02-02 10:46 pm UTC
Less complaining. More bug fixes.
(Anonymous)
2008-02-02 01:22 pm UTC (link)
Personally, I dislike these blog posts criticising a KDE distribution, regardless of which one it is. What you're doing is basically the equivalent of the mail Mark Shuttleworth sent to the OpenSUSE mailing list after the MS-Novell deal announcement - that wasn't the nicest thing to do, remember?

Canonical could pour more money into KDE. Heck, every company could pour more money into KDE. But let's not forget that only Canonical sponsors free KDE Live CDs to every person in the world that wants them.

And KDE developers, instead of being gentlemen and trying to discuss their issues privately with the Kubuntu developers and Canonical, are just complaining.

My advice? Every distribution on your list has several flaws and every distribution on your list could invest more in KDE development. Stop trying to influence users, in fact, spend less time complaining and more time coding.

In fact - why don't you fix several bugs in KDE3 to show us that upstream developers are still into KDE3?

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Re: Less complaining. More bug fixes.
(Anonymous)
2008-02-02 01:42 pm UTC (link)
"But let's not forget that only Canonical sponsors free KDE Live CDs to every person in the world that wants them."

OK, can I have openSUSE-10.3-GM-KDE-Live CD's please?

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Re: Less complaining. More bug fixes. - (Anonymous), 2008-02-02 02:04 pm UTC

(Anonymous)
2008-02-02 01:35 pm UTC (link)
There is also Debian. I am writing this from a chroot with KDE4.0 from experimental.

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(Anonymous)
2008-02-02 02:05 pm UTC (link)
debian is one of the best distri's and ship a good vanilla KDE. only hardware support, multimedia-keyboards and knoppix detection, need better preconfiguration.

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Gentoo!
(Anonymous)
2008-02-02 02:29 pm UTC (link)
I don't know why Gentoo has such a bad rep out there when it's really quite good. OK, compiling from source isn't for everyone, but still, being able to keep things up to date with portage is a big deal to me, as well as the flexibility that a source distro gives (don't want X/KDE/Gnome on the server? Not a problem!).

It's still my favorite even though it was probably the *last* distro to get KDE 4.0.0 out. BTW, KDE 4 is wicked cool--it really does feel like a desktop from the future and Aaron's boasting about being better looking than Apple is absolutely true! Unfortunately it's not 100% there (from a feature or bugfix POV) so I'm seriously looking at running the svn version because KDE 4 really great!

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Re: Gentoo!
(Anonymous)
2008-02-02 03:32 pm UTC (link)
Well I understand whole post is more or less rant (probably justified but still rant) I just don't get it, what's wrong with Gentoo community? Most of the shit hit the fan because /. linked one drobbins blog post, but that issue has quite some history and it's not so black and white.

However if you look at Gentoo now, all the communication between devs and community, all the effort to make things better and solve whatever is wrong it's just unfair to write stuff like that.

And least but not last, Gentoo has really nice KDE (and Gnome on other side) installation documentation, great distro KDE team and KDE was/is always "first class citizen" there as far as I can tell.

Oh, and btw, Arch is primary binary distro, so not much compiling to watch there :P

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A KDE staple
[info]rambotribble
2008-02-02 04:07 pm UTC (link)
I've tried all of the distros commented on above. I like Kubuntu because it is basically a strippo you can configure to your exact tastes. That and the repositories; everything is there and it just installs and runs. Additionally, third-party releases are usually packaged for the *buntus.

That said, if you want an out-of-the-box system that is brilliantly configured and just plain runs, look to SimplyMEPIS. It's a Debian based distro with impeccable credentials.

Other distros that deserve mention are Sabayon (Gentoo based) and the Ubuntu derivatives Linux Mint (available with KDE) and Mythbuntu (for the multimedia enthusiast).

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Plug for Arch
(Anonymous)
2008-02-02 06:26 pm UTC (link)
I'm a hardcore FreeBSD user, but my laptop requires proprietary drivers only available for Linux. Last month I tried Arch Linux for my Thinkpad, and fell in love. What I tell people who ask, is that "Arch is Slackware but with packages". It's a good description because it is very Slackware like, down to the ultra-sensible BSD style init scripts. But it has an great package manager, pacman, with a full complement of packages. Source builds are just as easy as under Gentoo or FreeBSD, if that's your preference. I'm using vanilla KDE and haven't tried kdemod.

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pclinuxos
(Anonymous)
2008-02-03 05:24 am UTC (link)
http://www.pclinuxos.com/
kde also
http://www.pclinuxos.com/index.php?option=com_ionfiles&Itemid=28
USA (indiana.edu) [+]
http://spout.ussg.indiana.edu/linux/pclinuxos/pclinuxos/live-cd/english/preview/
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Kde will be history in 1 yrd
(Anonymous)
2008-02-03 05:33 am UTC (link)
I actually read on http://www.opentopix.com that KDE will be history in 1 years

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Re: Kde will be history in 1 yrd
(Anonymous)
2008-02-04 01:20 am UTC (link)
And after that your dream has come to its end; and you woke up.

I have used PCLinuxOS for 7 months with the updates and still running smoothly and its the best distro for mainstream users I believe. It has everything an average user needs. I dont like the over-hyped Ubuntu and its variants anymore.

I use Arch with kdemod, plus all the updates. I had a few issues in the recent past due to lack of experience but I have solved them. I am very satisfied with the result.

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Crisis of faith, K/Ubuntu-style
(Anonymous)
2008-06-04 12:47 pm UTC (link)
Funny reading this Troy. A couple of days ago, I posted a video on my site and invited my WFTL-LUG to comment. You see, I'm battling with my own Kubuntu demons, trying to decide which distribution to run next. http://www.marcelgagne.com/node/569 I believe that KDE 4.X represents the most exciting and innovative change the PC desktop has seen in years and I'd like to think the desktop distribution I run is one that is firmly behind KDE. On that note, I appreciate your thoughts on the various players and how they stand behind KDE. Interesting reading.

Cheers! -Marcel

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I just migrated to OpenSUSE
(Anonymous)
2009-10-13 04:28 pm UTC (link)
> Users migrating away might be the only message we can send to them that they will understand.

I just migrated to OpenSUSE. I was amazed by the installer. It makes Kubuntu look like an antique.

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